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subkenny



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PostSubject: Add power depending of the fuel   22/12/2006, 10:52

Like in scx. If the car is full o fuel it goes slower and if it has low fuel faster. When the car is nearly out of fuel it stars to fail during one lap and if you donīt refuel it stops.

I think is a very funny option but donīt know if you can include it in your program
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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   22/12/2006, 10:56

No Not possible because the powerbase can not receive information from the computer, he can just send information .

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PostSubject: Can it be done in analogic?   18/8/2007, 18:12

Guy, can it be done in analogic?, I mean... to cut erraticaly the power to the line that has an empty tank, at least for a lap. It sounds great!.
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PostSubject: fuel consumption   18/8/2007, 21:18

Hi,

This maybe could be done with 0.9 PB Pro coming after september.

We could imagine that each car in the database has Min and Max value for speed (going from 00h to 3Fh). Depending on the quantity of fuel, PC Lap Counter could send the car to go quicker or slower.

This is only a suggestion. I don't know if this will be made possible by the PB Pro but anyway we will need a database with Min and Max value to be set whan we change pace cars !
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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   19/8/2007, 17:37

Like Palary say it will be possible with SSD and powerbase Pro.
For analogic (and digital) i add a new option in version 4.43:
- New general option for fuel management: “Driver race is ended when the car is out of fuel”, setting to OFF mean driver race is not finished but lap will not be counted until refueling cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   19/8/2007, 21:14

I have write this in the phidget interface forum.. but I think i could be here... http://pclapcounter.winnerbb.net/Pc-Lap-Counter-Hardware-f3/more-than-4-phidgets-interfaces-at-same-time-p1176.htm#1176

here is the way you can control power in an analogue track:





if you have 1 phidget interface for each lane (4 diferentes outputs per lane) the program could select a diferent output depends of fuel.

I will try to explain...

I have a track with 6 lanes... so I will need 6 phidgets 0/0/4, one for each line. (24 outputs)
each output with different voltage "just instaling a diferent resistance in each output", (example: 15v, 14v, 13v, 12v). With 100% fuel, the program can choose the 12v output for that lane, for 75% fuel the 13v, 50% fuel 14v, and 25% fuel 15v.

is something similar what you can do with a digital system but in analogue slot track.
There arenīt any software that can do that in an analogue track so it will be great...

thanks a lot
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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   20/8/2007, 15:59

Nice idea, but as you know actualy Pc Lap Counter work with Viperbox and in the future i think the constructor of the viperox will make a version for analogic track and will decrease the price by making a viperbox without standalone function....so i prefer to wait until i have some news
from andries (the constructor of the viperbox)

More information about viperbox here:
http://www.pclapcounter.be/viperbox.html
http://www.viperbox.co.za/
http://viperbox.nomatex.dyndns.org/Software/Assembly%20and%20Operating%20Manual%20R01.pdf

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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   23/8/2007, 23:18

I have been searching the ideal solution...

as you told me the ideal should be something that can control more than 4 voltage steps and controlled easily via software.

I think the solution could be a 8 channel programmable potentiometer



http://www.controlanything.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=UPOT8ProXR&Category_Code=DPOTS


with this board you can control 8 lines with 256 voltage steps for each line...

please guy when yo have time have a look to the link, you can also download the manual, it seems no very dificult to program.

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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   24/8/2007, 01:11

think is totaly what we need to let the software control the power of each car against the fuel tank level Very Happy Very Happy

I read the manual and specialy the potentiometer command : as you say the programmation is not complicate (because it use simple RS 232 command).
Just two little bad think:
- You need a power supply for the RS232 and you need also a special cable to connect the interface to the PC because the RS232 connector is not standard
- Think this hardware is only sold in USA and so you will pay TAX (douane).

My knowledge in electronics is very basic...so my question may be stupid :
how did you connect the power supply (the one for the track) to this interface , in the connector for each potentiometer i see POT B, POT W and POT A, where you connect the + and - of the power supply Question

Another question : Do you think that with that interface Pc Lap Counter can also cut totaly the power (0v) Question ....i hope yes so people don't need anymore dontronics box or 0/0/4 phidget interface Cool

As you know i have posted in the phigdet forum (http://www.phidgets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1867)
to see if they have a proposition, i propose to wait a little bit before starting this project....but actualy i'am very happy with that solution and think Pc Lap Counter user's will be happy also.

REM:
I think the picture you have posted is not the good one, the good one is with the RS 232 connector:

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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   24/8/2007, 12:30

My knowledge in electronics are very basic also No

anyway... I have been talking with someone (with good electronics knowledge) about the board and the bad news is that is not the perfect solution... he have been trying to explain me that we need to control voltaje with pulse not with resistence for to have an accurate result

But the good news is that the same company have the perfect solution for us!


PWM85 RS-232 8-Channel 5-Amp N-Channel FET Controller Board
http://www.controlanything.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PWM85&Category_Code=DIMMERS



the manual:
http://www.controlanything.com/manuals/PWM8x.PDF


With the PWM85 you can control 5 Amp per line... 8 lines with a pulse controller

so its perfect because with resistor the problem is that the result is diferent from one user to another because we have diferents power supply.

example: I want to play with 20v, no problem... select 20v in your power supply, with this board select 255 (max power) and you will have 20v.. if you select 128 (50%) you will have 10v, select 0 and you will turn off the power, easiest imposible... (no more phidgets and dontronics parallel relays... well maybe for lights.. Laughing Laughing )

so you will have 256 steps between 0v and voltage of your power supply.


for the serial conection they sell also a small board



in the manual you will see how to connect that board to our tracks (pag 7)

I hope this will help.

Have a look and tell me what you think guy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

THANKS!!!


Pd. There are only only thing I have to check... If this board is compatible with electronic controllers, like professor motor

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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   24/8/2007, 14:07

I check it and it's very easy to connect the "track power supply".
For computer without RS232 you wil needl a serial/usb adapter but this is not a problem.
Please confirm me that's compatible with electronics contollers, after that i will PM you.

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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   24/8/2007, 19:48

I like this thread. But I just bought the mainline hobbies kit, with all the phidget stuff...
My question is, Is this idea you are talking about complementary to the kit I bought, or it will replace it?. I read that te 0/0/4 that comes with the kit will be useless, but... you tell me.

Just learning study , because I am very happy with the kit, I hope to try it seriously this weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   25/8/2007, 00:37

guy wrote:

Please confirm me that's compatible with electronics contollers, after that i will PM you.

Well this board (PWM85) work as an electronic controller, both use the same technologic, the PWM "pulse width modulation".

the question is to know if you can use two PWM in serial (The board and the controller)... I have discover is not an easy question...

I have been asking 4 engineers , and 2 says it will work and 2 says no...

So I have send an email to the board manufacturer asking about it, and another email to an electronic controller manufacturer with PWM technologic (FrandSpeed) asking the same question.


Some Electronic controller as Professor motor use a diferent technologic, and will work for sure...

but FrandSpeed, Avant Slot, Parma , DS, and Slot it, use PWM controllers...

I will post the answer of the manufacturer as soon I have it.

thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   25/8/2007, 01:02

@ShadowLord : thanks, for your information i receive answer from Phidget and they don't have a component to do that (http://www.phidgets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=6689#6689)

@Ecominguez: we talk about a new kit to control the power of each car against the fuel tank level, with a fuel level of 100L your car will have less performance than a car with a fuel level of 15L...to simulate the car performance Pc Lap Counter will control the voltage of your track power supply Cool
You don't have to replace your Phidget installation, but because this new kit can totaly control the power your dontronics or 0/0/4 interface kit maybe be obsolete if you use it for power control

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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   26/8/2007, 09:19

Thanks Guy, very clear.
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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   27/8/2007, 09:59

Guy... there are no way to know if a PWM controller are going to work with that board. We have to test it

anyway we can only use 2 ways to control voltage... (because voltage & amperage we need)

Pulse: the PWM85 Board (need to test the electronic PWM controllers)
Resistence/diodes: using relays (phidget 0-0-4) or similar. (maybe a 8 relay board per line could be enougth but very expensive)

In september I will be travelling (holidays) I will be in Canada the all month Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy.
so in october I will buy a PWM85 for testing. I can make a little program in VB 6.
In my club we have all kinds of controllers, so we can make an extensive testing.

Thanks a lot Guy
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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   3/9/2007, 18:22

I have order a PWM85 today... so when I came back from my holidays I will have the board in my office...

see you on october Guy!
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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   4/9/2007, 14:10

Fine, see you in october Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   3/10/2007, 19:08

Hi guy!, I am at home again.
and I have the PWM85 board, I will make a little program for testing...

I will test the board with all kinds of controllers, as soon I have a result I will tell you



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PostSubject: Re: Add power depending of the fuel   3/10/2007, 19:42

Very nice...hope you will return to me with good news.

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